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Hello, everyone!
I’m wondering two things about NewTimer:
a) Is it possible to randomize time? I mean, in the code below I need to estabilish D1 to be randomly from 1000 to 1600 milisseconds, how can I do that?
I’ve tried newTimer(“timer-D1”, 1000, 1600) and It didn’t give me any bugs, but I’m wondering if it’s actually workingb) Is it possible to force my partipant to answer within a pre-determined timer? In my case, I need to estabilish that she or he will press either K or S within 1700 milisseconds. (let’s call this RT)
c) Is it possible to estabilish a timer based on a previous one? In my case, I need wait-separacao to be 3500 – RT – timer-D1
Template("tabela-target.csv" , row => newTrial("trial_1_no_cue_DOWN", defaultText .center() .cssContainer({"position": "absolute", "top": "50%", "left": "50%", "transform": "translate(-50%, +50%)"}) .print() , newText("D1", "<br><b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"blue"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer-D1",1000) .start() .wait() , getText("D1") .remove() , newText("cue", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"green"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_cue_D2",100) .start() .wait() , getText("cue","D2") .remove() , newText("D3", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"pink"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_D3",400) .start() .wait() , getText("D3") .remove() , newImage("imagens", row.imagem) .size(500, 200) , newText("cruz_central", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"black"}) .center() .print() , //para baixo// newCanvas("center", 150,150) .add( "center at 50%" , "center at 50%" , getImage("imagens")) .cssContainer({ "position": "absolute", "margin-top": "340px"}) .center() .log() .print() , newKey("keypress1","SK") .wait() .log() , getText("cruz_central") .remove() , getCanvas("center") .remove() , newText("separacao", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"yellow"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("wait-separacao",2500) .start() .wait() ) .log("imagens", row.imagem) .log("item", row.versao) );This is the code for my project: https://farm.pcibex.net/r/OIkUNc/
I’ve made a post earlier on asking how to center things, but I already solved that, but I didn’t know how to delete my post, so I’m sorry for overposting…Thanks in advance!!!
Hi Larissa,
a) See my answer on this thread
b) See the code in this message for an illustration of a timeout implementation. The basic idea is: start a Timer element, create (and print, if applicable) your interactive element and make sure to
.log()it, wait for the Timer to elapse, then disable/remove the interactive elementc) Just set separacao to 3500 and start it before timer-D1, but only
waitfor it at the end of the trial, eg:newTrial( newText("instructions", "Quick! Press F or J now!").print() , newTimer("separacao", 3500) , newTimer("timer-D1", 1000+Math.round(600*Math.random()) ).start(), newKey("FJ").log("all").callback( getTimer("timer-D1").stop() ), getTimer("timer-D1").wait() , getKey("FJ").disable(), getText("instructions").remove() , newText("Next trial incoming...").print(), getTimer("separacao").wait() )Jeremy
Dear Jeremy,
I can never thank you enough, but thank you very very much once again! I’ll try to set all these timers as you told me to do! I’m so happy that it’s possible to do that! I just have one question, what would the timer “allottedtime” stand for?
Best,
Dear Jeremy,
Would it be possible to show the participants some feedback over the practice trial? I mean, before “instructions_E” appear on the screen, would it be possible to show them how much time they’ve spent on the practice trial as well as their accuracy? If so, how?
Ops: not how much time they’ve spent, but rather their avarage RT
Thanks in advance, if it would be better to open another topic for this question I can do that 🙂
My bad, it’s a typo from a previous version of my code, it should be
timer-D1—I have edited my message accordinglyJeremy
Oh, no problem! Concerning my new question, something like this: You have completed the practice trials: Your accuracy is: x % correct and average responde speed is: y ms” Is it possible?
would it be possible to show them how much time they’ve spent on the practice trial as well as their accuracy? If so, how?
EDIT: I just saw your new message, which asks about average response time per practice trial rather than time spent on the whole practice block. I’ll address that later
You could add this at the end of your keyboard_warning trial, after
getText("keyboard-text").remove():newVar("startPractice").global().set(()=>Date.now())Then before the test on your Key element in the code of your practice trials, add
newVar("accurate", []).global()and inside thesuccessandfailurecommands, addgetVar("accurate").set(v=>[...v,true])/getVar("accurate").set(v=>[...v,false])(respectively)You can add a trial before instructions_E that would do something like:
newTrial("feedback", newVar("timeText").set( getVar("startPractice").global() ).set(v=> "You spent "+Math.round((Date.now()-v)/600)/100+"min practicing" ), newText( "feedbackTime" ).text( getVar("timeText") ).print() , newVar("accuracyText").set( getVar("accurate").global() ).set(v=> "You got "+v.filter(a=>a==true).length+" correct answers out of "+v.length ), newText( "feedbackAccuracy" ).text( getVar("accuracyText") ).print() , newButton("Continue").print().wait() )Jeremy
The logic for average RT per trial is the same as average accuracy: add
newVar("localRT").set(v=>Date.now())abovenewKey("keypress1","SK")and below thewaitcommand addgetVar("localRT").set(v=>Date.now()-v) , newVar("practiceRTs",[]).global().set(v=>[...v,getVar("localRT").value])Then your feedback trial would look like this:
newTrial("feedback", newVar("timeText").set( getVar("practiceRTs").global() ).set(v=> "You spent "+(v.reduce((n,m)=>n+m)/v.length)/1000+"s per trial on average" ), newText( "feedbackTime" ).text( getVar("timeText") ).print() , newVar("accuracyText").set( getVar("accurate").global() ).set(v=> "You got "+v.filter(a=>a==true).length+" correct answers out of "+v.length ), newText( "feedbackAccuracy" ).text( getVar("accuracyText") ).print() , newButton("Continue").print().wait() )Jeremy
Thank you so much, Jeremy!! I’ll work on all these codes! Thank you for your kind answers as always 🙂
Dear Jeremy,
What if I need to show feedback together with the test.pressed feebback? I mean, I still need the averege one, but I’d need something like this after each item:
“correct! your speed was: 150 ms!
“incorrect! your speed was 500ms!” etcIs it possible, if so, how?
Dear Jeremy, I was able to take steps a and b, but I’m struggling with step c:
Template("tabela-target.csv" , row => newTrial("trial_2_center_cue_UP", defaultText .center() .cssContainer({"position": "absolute", "top": "50%", "left": "50%", "transform": "translate(-50%, +50%)"}) .print() , newText("D1", "<br><b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"blue"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer-D1",1000+Math.round(1600*Math.random())) // ------------------------------> my new random time between 400 and 1600 ms .start() .wait() , getText("D1") .remove() , newText("cue", "<br> <b>*</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"green"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_cue_D2",100) .start() .wait() , getText("cue","D2") .remove() , newText("D3", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"pink"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_D3",400) .start() .wait() , getText("D3") .remove() , newTimer("timer-RT",1700) // <-------------------------------------------- my new RT trial which imposes the answer within 1700 ms .start() , newImage("imagens", row.imagem) .size(500, 200) , newText("cruz_central", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"black"}) .center() .print() , //para cima// newCanvas("center", 150,150) .add( "center at 50%" , "center at 50%" , getImage("imagens")) .cssContainer({ "position": "absolute", "margin-top": "85px"}) .center() .log() .print() , newKey("keypress1","SK") .log() .callback( getTimer("timer-RT").stop()) , getTimer("timer-RT").wait() , getKey("keypress1").disable(), getText("cruz_central"), getCanvas("center") .remove() , newText("separacao", "<br> <b>+</b>") // <------------------------- this should be 3500 ms - timer-RT - timer-D1 .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"yellow"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("wait-separacao",2500) .start() .wait() ) .log("imagens", row.imagem) .log("item", row.versao) );I don’t see how putting “wait separação” before D1 would make it be: WAIT SEPARAÇÃO = 3500 MINUS timer-RT MINUS timer-D1 . Would you mind explaining it again, please?
Thanks in advance, as always!
Hi Larissa,
If you want the totality of your trial to be 3800ms (because timer-RT = 1700ms, max timer-D1 = 1600ms, timer_cue_D2 = 100ms and timer_D3 = 400ms) start the timer at the beginning of the trial, and wait for it at the end:
Template("tabela-target.csv" , row => newTrial("trial_2_center_cue_UP", defaultText .center() .cssContainer({"position": "absolute", "top": "50%", "left": "50%", "transform": "translate(-50%, +50%)"}) .print() , newTimer("wait-separacao",3800).start() , newText("D1", "<br><b>+</b>") .cssContainer({"font-size":"100px", "color":"blue"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer-D1",400+Math.round(1200*Math.random())) // if you want between 400ms and 1600ms, you need 400+[0--1200] .start() .wait() , getText("D1").remove() , newText("cue", "<br> <b>*</b>") .cssContainer({"font-size":"100px", "color":"green"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_cue_D2",100) .start() .wait() , getText("cue","D2").remove() , newText("D3", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({"font-size":"100px", "color":"pink"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_D3",400) .start() .wait() , getText("D3").remove() , newTimer("timer-RT",1700).start() , newImage("imagens", row.imagem).size(500, 200) , newText("cruz_central", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({"font-size":"100px", "color":"black"}) .center() .print() , //para cima// newCanvas("center", 150,150) .add( "center at 50%" , "center at 50%" , getImage("imagens")) .cssContainer({"position": "absolute", "margin-top": "85px"}) .center() .log() .print() , newKey("keypress1","SK") .log() .callback( getTimer("timer-RT").stop() ) , getTimer("timer-RT").wait() , getKey("keypress1").disable(), getText("cruz_central"), getCanvas("center").remove() , newText("separacao", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({"font-size":"100px", "color":"yellow"}) .center() .print() , getTimer("wait-separacao").wait() ) .log("imagens", row.imagem) .log("item", row.versao) );Also, re. the feedback on each trial, just use the Var named localRT to set a Text element in the
success/failurecommands. For example, insuccess:newVar("positiveFeedbackText").set( getVar("localRT") ).set( v => "Correct! Your speed was: "+v+"ms!" ) , newText("positiveFeedback").text( getVar("positiveFeedbackText") ).print()Jeremy
Thank you for your kind answer! I’m struggling to add the feedback on each trial together with the final one:
This is what I’ve already done (and it shows the feedback on the feedback trial):
//////////////////////////////////////////trial_1 - no_cue// PARA CIMA/LEFT////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Template("tabela-target_left.csv" , row => newTrial("p_trial_1_no_cue_UP", defaultText .center() .cssContainer({"position": "absolute", "top": "50%", "left": "50%", "transform": "translate(-50%, +50%)"}) .print() , newText("D1", " <br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"blue"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer-D1",1000) .start() .wait() , getText("D1") .remove() , newText("cue", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"green"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_cue_D2",100) .start() .wait() , getText("cue","D2") .remove() , newText("D3", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"pink"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("timer_D3",400) .start() .wait() , getText("D3") .remove() , newImage("imagens", row.imagem) .size(500, 200) , newText("cruz_central", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"black"}) .center() .print() , //para cima// newCanvas("center", 150,150) .add( "center at 50%" , "center at 50%" , getImage("imagens")) .cssContainer({ "position": "absolute", "margin-top": "85px"}) .center() .log() .print() , newVar("localRT").set(v=>Date.now()), newKey("keypress1","SK") .wait() , getVar("localRT").set(v=>Date.now()-v), newVar("practiceRTs",[]).global().set(v=>[...v,getVar("localRT").value]) , newVar("accurate", []).global() , getKey("keypress1") .test.pressed("S") .success(newText("success", "Correto!").print() .cssContainer({"font-size":"30px", "margin-top":"255px","font-family":"Comic Sans MS", "color":"green"}).center(), getVar("accurate").set(v=>[...v,true])) .failure( newText("failure", "Incorreto!").print() .cssContainer({"font-size":"30px", "margin-top":"255px", "font-family":"Comic Sans MS", "color":"red"}).center(), getVar("accurate").set(v=>[...v,false])) , getText("cruz_central") .remove() , getCanvas("center") .remove() , newTimer("wait-success",400) .start() .wait() , getText("success") .remove() , getText("failure") .remove() , newText("separacao", "<br> <b>+</b>") .cssContainer({ "font-size":"100px", "color":"yellow"}) .center() .print() , newTimer("wait-separacao",2500) .start() .wait() ));How do I manage to do both? I mean: both during each trial but also in my ‘feedback” ? (https://farm.pcibex.net/r/yBeBcJ/)
Sequence( "instructions_A", "instructions_B", "instructions_C", "instructions_D","instructions_Extra","keyboard_warning", rshuffle("p_trial_1_no_cue_UP","p_trial_1_no_cue_DOWN","p_trial_2_center_cue_UP","p_trial_2_center_cue_DOWN", "p_trial_3_double_cue_UP","p_trial_3_double_cue_DOWN","p_trial_4_spatial_cue_UP","p_trial_4_spatial_cue_DOWN"), "feedback", "instructions_E",etc etc etc
Place the commands in the
successand thefeedbackcommands, eg. forsuccessfrom the code in your message:.success( newVar("positiveFeedback").set( getVar("localRT") ).set( v=> "Correto! You spent "+v+"ms on this trial" ) , newText("success") .text( getVar("positiveFeedback") ) .cssContainer({"font-size":"30px", "margin-top":"255px","font-family":"Comic Sans MS", "color":"green"}) , getVar("accurate").set(v=>[...v,true]) )Your script already achieves including a trial (labeled “feedback”) that prints the average time spent on the practice trials
Jeremy
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